Its NOT the Red Arrows.......

[MikeW]

...........Its just my first attempt at this formation flying thingy,
and it aint easy!

The video got 'degraded' quite a bit during the rendering stage, but I
suppose that was to be expected considering that the raw footage was
13.7 Gigs (yes Gigs), which is now reduced to 41 megs. This has
affected the sound/image sync, especially at the beginning of the vid
during the long range zooming. Also the picture quality is no where as
good as what it is on my machine.

OK, I'm still learning this video game so all constructive criticism,
comments, likes and dislikes are most welcome. There are one or two
continuity errors, but if you don't look too closely maybe you wont
notice :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg3hpnJ4QOQ

--
MikeW
*The only time an aircraft has too much fuel on board is when it is on
fire*

[Bob D.]

I love it!

Bob D

[Steve]

"MikeW" <MikeW@spammenot.con> wrote in message
news:mOCdnZqwNZWPU0zYRVnyggA@bt.com...
> ...........Its just my first attempt at this formation flying thingy, and
> it aint easy!
>
<snip>
>
> OK, I'm still learning this video game so all constructive criticism,
> comments, likes and dislikes are most welcome.

Nicely done. It looked like creative editing came to the rescue of the two
wing-men a couple of times - i.e. they had an air-hit but you cut that out
;-). I didn't care much for the bright primary coloured smoke, but that's
probably a question of personal taste. Looked a bit stuttery particularly
at the beginning and during taxiing. Maybe turn a few options down/off
before filming next time or perhaps have less "static" machinery on the
ground that has to be rendered and therefore eats fps. On the whole though,
good effort. :-)

Steve

[MikeW]

Bob D. wrote:
> I love it!
>
> Bob D

One satisfied customer! Thanks Bob.
--
MikeW
*The only time an aircraft has too much fuel on board is when it is on
fire*

[MikeW]

Steve wrote:
> "MikeW" <MikeW@spammenot.con> wrote in message
> news:mOCdnZqwNZWPU0zYRVnyggA@bt.com...
>> ...........Its just my first attempt at this formation flying
>> thingy, and it aint easy!
>>
> <snip>
>>
>> OK, I'm still learning this video game so all constructive criticism,
>> comments, likes and dislikes are most welcome.
>
> Nicely done. It looked like creative editing came to the rescue of
> the two wing-men a couple of times - i.e. they had an air-hit but you
> cut that out ;-).

More than a couple of times, look what Crash Lander did to Snake Eyes
;-)
http://uk.geocities.com/mikessite@btinternet.com/Screenshots.html

> I didn't care much for the bright primary coloured
> smoke, but that's probably a question of personal taste. Looked a
> bit stuttery particularly at the beginning and during taxiing. Maybe
> turn a few options down/off before filming next time or perhaps have
> less "static" machinery on the ground that has to be rendered and
> therefore eats fps. On the whole though, good effort. :-)
>
I think it has got more to do with the rendering. I'm messing about with
that at the moment and so far I have two better copies than the one I
posted.

> Steve

Thanks for the constructive comments Steve, that's what I am looking
for.
--
MikeW
*The only time an aircraft has too much fuel on board is when it is on
fire*

[Sammy]

Love it. Particularly your song :P (and now you have something to
counter-sue with if someone keeps a copy as evidence *chuckle*).

Have you tried formation with a different plane? I found the 172 to be
unwieldy in formation flying but people still tend to use it because
they think of the 172 as the "easy" or "beginner's" plane on the sim.

[Cat in the Hat]

Very nice, Mike! Enjoyed it very much.
Tom
"MikeW" <MikeW@spammenot.con> wrote in message
news:mOCdnZqwNZWPU0zYRVnyggA@bt.com...
> ...........Its just my first attempt at this formation flying thingy, and
> it aint easy!
>
> The video got 'degraded' quite a bit during the rendering stage, but I
> suppose that was to be expected considering that the raw footage was 13.7
> Gigs (yes Gigs), which is now reduced to 41 megs. This has affected the
> sound/image sync, especially at the beginning of the vid during the long
> range zooming. Also the picture quality is no where as good as what it is
> on my machine.
>
> OK, I'm still learning this video game so all constructive criticism,
> comments, likes and dislikes are most welcome. There are one or two
> continuity errors, but if you don't look too closely maybe you wont notice
> :-)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg3hpnJ4QOQ
>
> --
> MikeW
> *The only time an aircraft has too much fuel on board is when it is on
> fire*
>
>

[MikeW]

Sammy wrote:
> Love it. Particularly your song :P (and now you have something to
> counter-sue with if someone keeps a copy as evidence *chuckle*).
>
:-) Thanks
>
> Have you tried formation with a different plane? I found the 172 to be
> unwieldy in formation flying but people still tend to use it because
> they think of the 172 as the "easy" or "beginner's" plane on the sim.

Not yet Sammy.......I had a quick go with a Tomcat but at the time
thought that was a bit ambitious. I wanted to make this video with a
flight of Chinooks, but as we know that's not possible. This formation
flying has opened a whole new experience for me and I will certainly be
trying other aircraft. Thanks for all your help and tips.
--
MikeW
*The only time an aircraft has too much fuel on board is when it is on
fire*

[MikeW]

Cat in the Hat wrote:
> Very nice, Mike! Enjoyed it very much.
> Tom

Thanks Tom, also for your earlier help and tips.
--
MikeW
*The only time an aircraft has too much fuel on board is when it is on
fire*

[TOCA]

"MikeW" <MikeW@spammenot.con> skrev i en meddelelse
news:mOCdnZqwNZWPU0zYRVnyggA@bt.com...
> ...........Its just my first attempt at this formation flying thingy,
> and it aint easy!
>

Well you made it look easy ;o)

Sad to see MM go, though, maybe if he had worn his viking helmet, things
would have turned out more .........hmmm...... is nice the right word here,
with MM in the same sentence??? ;o)
(Sorry MM couln't resist it, nice singing voice though)

Loved your choice of music, it adds to the drama :o)

Like Steve, I think the smoke was a litle overdone, maybe if you can get
hold of some more transperrent smoke, it would look better? :o/

Tommy C

[Crash Lander]

Just watched it here at work, where I have no sound. Looks impressive mate!
Looking forward to watching again tonight at home with sound!
Have to agree about the smoke though.
I have a question about Massive crash, but I won't hijack this thread. See
new thread.
Crash Lander

--
I'm not always right,
But I'm never wrong!
"MikeW" <MikeW@spammenot.con> wrote in message
news:mOCdnZqwNZWPU0zYRVnyggA@bt.com...
> ...........Its just my first attempt at this formation flying thingy, and
> it aint easy!
>
> The video got 'degraded' quite a bit during the rendering stage, but I
> suppose that was to be expected considering that the raw footage was 13.7
> Gigs (yes Gigs), which is now reduced to 41 megs. This has affected the
> sound/image sync, especially at the beginning of the vid during the long
> range zooming. Also the picture quality is no where as good as what it is
> on my machine.
>
> OK, I'm still learning this video game so all constructive criticism,
> comments, likes and dislikes are most welcome. There are one or two
> continuity errors, but if you don't look too closely maybe you wont notice
> :-)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg3hpnJ4QOQ
>
> --
> MikeW
> *The only time an aircraft has too much fuel on board is when it is on
> fire*
>
>

[Cat in the Hat]

"MikeW" <MikeW@spammenot.con> wrote in message
news:SJadnWIhFIKOpE_YnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@bt.com...
> Cat in the Hat wrote:
>> Very nice, Mike! Enjoyed it very much.
>> Tom
>
> Thanks Tom, also for your earlier help and tips.
> --
> MikeW
> *The only time an aircraft has too much fuel on board is when it is on
> fire*
>
Oh, crap, ya mean I actually had something good to offer the group?
WooHoo!!!
Tom

[MikeW]

TOCA wrote:
> "MikeW" <MikeW@spammenot.con> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:mOCdnZqwNZWPU0zYRVnyggA@bt.com...
>> ...........Its just my first attempt at this formation flying thingy,
>> and it aint easy!
>>
>
> Well you made it look easy ;o)
>
Just kept the best bits and stuck them all in a video editor :-)
>
> Sad to see MM go, though, maybe if he had worn his viking helmet,
> things would have turned out more .........hmmm...... is nice the
> right word here, with MM in the same sentence??? ;o)
> (Sorry MM couln't resist it, nice singing voice though)
>
:-)

> Loved your choice of music, it adds to the drama :o)
>
Thanks. I cant ever see me making a video without background music.One
of the big challenges is to TRY and sync the audio with the visual. If
one can get it right it has quite an impact on the finished product.
>
>
> Like Steve, I think the smoke was a litle overdone, maybe if you can
> get hold of some more transperrent smoke, it would look better? :o/
>
So far nobody likes the 'heavy' smoke effects. This is the sort of
feedback I appreciate in order to improve.

> Tommy C

Thanks for your comments Tommy, much appreciated.
--
MikeW
*The only time an aircraft has too much fuel on board is when it is on
fire*

[MikeW]

Crash Lander wrote:
> Just watched it here at work, where I have no sound. Looks impressive
> mate! Looking forward to watching again tonight at home with sound!
> Have to agree about the smoke though.
> I have a question about Massive crash, but I won't hijack this
> thread. See new thread.
> Crash Lander
>

Thanks mate. I've replied to your question ref Massive Crash.
--
MikeW
*The only time an aircraft has too much fuel on board is when it is on
fire*

[sfloridadude]

wow! this is amazing! 5 stars!

sfloridadude

[MikeW]

sfloridadude wrote:
> wow! this is amazing! 5 stars!
>
> sfloridadude

Thanks, is that 5 out of 10. Just joking. :-)
--
MikeW
*The only time an aircraft has too much fuel on board is when it is on
fire*

[Iain Smith]

Well Mike, having tried formation flying myself with just one other (and
failing miserably) I know how difficult that was. I'm full of admiration -
well done!

Iain

[MikeW]

Iain Smith wrote:
> Well Mike, having tried formation flying myself with just one other
> (and failing miserably) I know how difficult that was. I'm full of
> admiration - well done!
>
> Iain

Thanks Iain.

I have found that this formation flying has opened up a whole new way of
flying for me. However, in the video you only saw the good bits, there
must have been over 10 Gigs of footage on the 'cutting room floor'.
--
MikeW
*The only time an aircraft has too much fuel on board is when it is on
fire*

[SnakeEyes]

On Feb 13, 9:41 am, "MikeW" <M...@spammenot.con> wrote:
> ...........Its just my first attempt at this formation flying thingy,
> and it aint easy!

I found it to be a lot of fun and didn't stop smiling throughout.
Seems a shame Mad Mike wasn't given a whole airplane to use, but I
guess he couldn't afford to rent a 172 : ) What was he doing in
Chilliwack anyway? Not sure if I was imagining it, but I think I saw
the Chinook taxiing on the tarmac sideways, but I'm never surprised at
what schnooks can do.

Great music and a very entertaining video. Keep them coming..

SnakeEyes

[MikeW]

SnakeEyes wrote:
>
> I found it to be a lot of fun and didn't stop smiling throughout.
> Seems a shame Mad Mike wasn't given a whole airplane to use, but I
> guess he couldn't afford to rent a 172 : ) What was he doing in
> Chilliwack anyway? Not sure if I was imagining it, but I think I saw
> the Chinook taxiing on the tarmac sideways, but I'm never surprised at
> what schnooks can do.

Ahrrrr! You got me there SE. I just re-ran the video to see if the
Shnook did actually move sideways. Then I remembered two things: I had
switched the engines off so that the rotor blades were stationary; and I
MADE the video and didn't have any Schnook taxiing. :-)

BTW, did you see what happened to your plane after Crash Lander *backed*
into you.

http://uk.geocities.com/mikessite@btinternet.com/Screenshots.html

>
> Great music and a very entertaining video. Keep them coming..
>
> SnakeEyes

Thanks SE
--
MikeW
*The only time an aircraft has too much fuel on board is when it is on
fire*

[Marcel Kuijper]

"MikeW" wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg3hpnJ4QOQ

I like it!
Nice blend of sim-footage and real footage, and I like your flame
covered Cessna. Very retro, Mike.

But did you really have to kill off Mad Mike and his flying roto-rooter?

I especially like how the main building at the Chilliwack airport has the
elevation in huge letters right at the top of it for everyone to see.
That's a darn good idea!
I wonder how many other GA airports and airfields around the world
have that, cos I haven't seen it in Holland.
(Duh! Pretty much the entire country is at the same altitude! <g>)


Marcel

[TOCA]

"Marcel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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>
> "> (Duh! Pretty much the entire country is at the same altitude! <g>)
>
>
Yeah, about 20ft belov sealevel ;o)

Tommy C

[MikeW]

Marcel Kuijper wrote:
> "MikeW" wrote:
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg3hpnJ4QOQ
>
> I like it!
> Nice blend of sim-footage and real footage, and I like your flame
> covered Cessna. Very retro, Mike.
>
> But did you really have to kill off Mad Mike and his flying
> roto-rooter?

That's the second time MM has hit the deck, the first was when he tried
to ski up Niagara Falls, but he keeps bouncing back!

> I especially like how the main building at the Chilliwack airport has
> the elevation in huge letters right at the top of it for everyone to
> see. That's a darn good idea!
> I wonder how many other GA airports and airfields around the world
> have that, cos I haven't seen it in Holland.
> (Duh! Pretty much the entire country is at the same altitude! <g>)
>
>
> Marcel

Thanks Marcel.

[Mad Mike]

LOL! Oh man, that was great! I have it archived, Mike. Thanks for the
cameo (and the burial ) woo,woo,woo!! You guys are doing amazing stuff
with the formation flying.

MM

"MikeW" <MikeW@spammenot.con> wrote in message
news:mOCdnZqwNZWPU0zYRVnyggA@bt.com...
> ...........Its just my first attempt at this formation flying thingy, and
> it aint easy!
>
> The video got 'degraded' quite a bit during the rendering stage, but I
> suppose that was to be expected considering that the raw footage was 13.7
> Gigs (yes Gigs), which is now reduced to 41 megs. This has affected the
> sound/image sync, especially at the beginning of the vid during the long
> range zooming. Also the picture quality is no where as good as what it is
> on my machine.
>
> OK, I'm still learning this video game so all constructive criticism,
> comments, likes and dislikes are most welcome. There are one or two
> continuity errors, but if you don't look too closely maybe you wont notice
> :-)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg3hpnJ4QOQ
>
> --
> MikeW
> *The only time an aircraft has too much fuel on board is when it is on
> fire*
>
>

[manbird]

I liked it! I know it's difficult flying in formation, sure does ad a
new element to the flightsim experience. I like the hover craft
vehicle! Takes a lot of gonads to fly one of those really high! Great
choice of music as well. You're takeoff formation was flawless.

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[MikeW]

manbird wrote:
> I liked it! I know it's difficult flying in formation, sure does ad a
> new element to the flightsim experience. I like the hover craft
> vehicle! Takes a lot of gonads to fly one of those really high!

Especially with a gob full of smoke :-)

> Great choice of music as well. You're takeoff formation was flawless.
>
>

Thanks for those comments manbird. Did you like the smoke? Most
respondents said it was a bit OTT.
--
MikeW
*The only time an aircraft has too much fuel on board is when it is on
fire*

[MikeW]

Mad Mike wrote:
> LOL! Oh man, that was great! I have it archived, Mike. Thanks for
> the cameo (and the burial ) woo,woo,woo!! You guys are doing
> amazing stuff with the formation flying.
>
> MM

Thanks MM.
No matter how many times I try to kill you off in cyberland, you just
keep on bouncing back! ;-)
--
MikeW
*The only time an aircraft has too much fuel on board is when it is on
fire*

[manbird]

I figured the smoke oversaturation was the rendering quality of
youtube..so I kinda let it go..

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[Marcel Kuijper]

"TOCA" wrote:

> Yeah, about 20ft belov sealevel ;o)

:-))
It's odd that we don't have more submarines. ;-)


Marcel

[TOCA]

"Marcel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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>
> "TOCA" wrote:
>
> > Yeah, about 20ft belov sealevel ;o)
>
> :-))
> It's odd that we don't have more submarines. ;-)
>
>
> Marcel
>
>
;o)

Actually I'm quite amazed at what your country has achieved durring the last
couple of centurys! I've got my great grandfathers school Atlas of the
world, and looking at Holland then and now, wow!

Be honnest! Were you trying to build a bridge to the UK or what?

Tommy C

[John Ward]

Hi Mike W,

I thought you did it on purpose, mate, to over-emphasise the flightpaths
of the various planes, and show us all what you'd done, and help others to
have a go too.

Regards,
John Ward
"MikeW" <MikeW@spammenot.con> wrote in message
news:dLGdnWajZvAq90nYnZ2dnUVZ8s6gnZ2d@bt.com...
> manbird wrote:
>> I liked it! I know it's difficult flying in formation, sure does ad a
>> new element to the flightsim experience. I like the hover craft
>> vehicle! Takes a lot of gonads to fly one of those really high!
>
> Especially with a gob full of smoke :-)
>
>> Great choice of music as well. You're takeoff formation was flawless.
>>
>>
>
> Thanks for those comments manbird. Did you like the smoke? Most
> respondents said it was a bit OTT.
> --
> MikeW
> *The only time an aircraft has too much fuel on board is when it is on
> fire*
>

[MikeW]

John Ward wrote:
> Hi Mike W,
>
> I thought you did it on purpose, mate, to over-emphasise the
> flightpaths of the various planes, and show us all what you'd done,
> and help others to have a go too.
>
> Regards,
> John Ward

No mate.

What did contribute to the effect though was the zoom factor I was using
from the Tower view.
--
MikeW
*The only time an aircraft has too much fuel on board is when it is on
fire*

[Marcel Kuijper]

"TOCA" wrote:

> Actually I'm quite amazed at what your country has achieved durring the
last
> couple of centurys! I've got my great grandfathers school Atlas of the
> world, and looking at Holland then and now, wow!

Discovery Channel (or was it NGC??) did a whole documentary on it.
I knew about most of it, but exactly how it was all done was news to me.
It's pretty interesting to follow the whole story.
The city of New Orleans has the same problem Holland does and from
what I've read their officials are talking to our officials to solve it.


> Be honnest! Were you trying to build a bridge to the UK or what?

Can you image how that would look?
Right hand traffic from Holland entering the UK, and the left hand driving
Brits entering Holland. Where do you switch sides? Total mayhem!


Marcel

[TOCA]

"Marcel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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>
> > Be honnest! Were you trying to build a bridge to the UK or what?
>
> Can you image how that would look?
> Right hand traffic from Holland entering the UK, and the left hand driving
> Brits entering Holland. Where do you switch sides? Total mayhem!
>
>
> Marcel
>
>

*GRIN*

You might have a point there :o)

Brittish bucracy(??) would solve it: "Now please step out of your car, walk
arround it, place yourself in the righthand seat, and move on" ;o)

Tommy C

[Marcel Kuijper]

"TOCA" wrote:

> Brittish bucracy(??) would solve it: "Now please step out of your car,
walk
> arround it, place yourself in the righthand seat, and move on" ;o)

Canada has a perfect solution to that: in British Columbia there are still
drivingschool cars that can be operated from both the left and the right
side of the car. The instructor can take over whenever necessary.

I've seen them in the 70's, 80's and 90's, but I didn't expect to seen one
in downtown Vancouver last year!!
According to family (that are spread out all over BC), these cars are
all over the place.

But it would never work here.
Dutch men would never allow their wives the oppertunity to take
control of the car whenever they feel like it. It's already WWIII when
it comes to navigating during a holiday.

Picture this:
Whenever you speed, she steps on the brakes.
Whenever she parallel parks, you do the steering for her.
:-)


Marcel

[TOCA]

"Marcel Kuijper" <zoepetier_nothing_here@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:45d8a647$0$327$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
>
> "TOCA" wrote:
>
> > Brittish bucracy(??) would solve it: "Now please step out of your car,
> walk
> > arround it, place yourself in the righthand seat, and move on" ;o)
>
> Canada has a perfect solution to that: in British Columbia there are still
> drivingschool cars that can be operated from both the left and the right
> side of the car. The instructor can take over whenever necessary.
>
> I've seen them in the 70's, 80's and 90's, but I didn't expect to seen one
> in downtown Vancouver last year!!
> According to family (that are spread out all over BC), these cars are
> all over the place.
>

Pretty dangerus, if you ask me, what happens in a panic situation, when 2
people are trying to avoid a accident, by pulling in each direction??

It works on planes, because there is a clear difference in ranks, and who
has the responcabillity, but a car in rush hour traffic, you are asking for
trouple.


> But it would never work here.
> Dutch men would never allow their wives the oppertunity to take
> control of the car whenever they feel like it. It's already WWIII when
> it comes to navigating during a holiday.
>

Isn't that a universal war?? ;o)


> Picture this:
> Whenever you speed, she steps on the brakes.
> Whenever she parallel parks, you do the steering for her.
> :-)


And when ever there is a sale, she wants to take the rudder ;o)

Glad there's no such thing for the inlaw on the backseat (shudder) :o)

Tommy C