And now?

[Gordon Rainsford]

IMP Pairs Vul vs NV

RHO You LHO Pd
1H P 1NT 2D
2S P 3H P
P ?



S A 10 9 8 3
H J 8 7 2
D ---
C À 8 5 4 3

--
Gordon Rainsford

London UK

[Sven Pran]

"Gordon Rainsford" <grbridgeREMOVETHIS@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1htda39.1yyei18193jojkN%grbridgeREMOVETHIS@bt internet.com...
> IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
>
> RHO You LHO Pd
> 1H P 1NT 2D
> 2S P 3H P
> P ?
>
>
>
> S A 10 9 8 3
> H J 8 7 2
> D ---
> C À 8 5 4 3
>

"Director" (Before looking at my cards!)

Sven

[Lorne]

"Gordon Rainsford" <grbridgeREMOVETHIS@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1htda39.1yyei18193jojkN%grbridgeREMOVETHIS@bt internet.com...
> IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
>
> RHO You LHO Pd
> 1H P 1NT 2D
> 2S P 3H P
> P ?
>
>
>
> S A 10 9 8 3
> H J 8 7 2
> D ---
> C À 8 5 4 3
>
> --

If my 14th card is a small black one I will double and lead a trump.

[Yury]

"Sven Pran" <no.direct@email.please> wrote in message
news:SuOdnfdwtJgqY1PYRVnzvA@telenor.com...
>
> "Gordon Rainsford" <grbridgeREMOVETHIS@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:1htda39.1yyei18193jojkN%grbridgeREMOVETHIS@bt internet.com...
>> IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
>>
>> RHO You LHO Pd
>> 1H P 1NT 2D
>> 2S P 3H P
>> P ?
>>
>>
>>
>> S A 10 9 8 3
>> H J 8 7 2
>> D ---
>> C À 8 5 4 3
>>
>
> "Director" (Before looking at my cards!)
>
> Sven

Good call at the first round of bidding, but to pass twice not looking at
the cards, and then to call director is somehow strange :)

--
Regards, Yury

[John Schuler]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:55:16 +0000, grbridgeREMOVETHIS@btinternet.com
(Gordon Rainsford) wrote:

>IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
>
>RHO You LHO Pd
> 1H P 1NT 2D
> 2S P 3H P
> P ?
>

Assuming I still have 5S after the hand has been trimmed to 13 cards,
why didn't I overcall 1S on the first round? Certainly the Jack 4th of
Hearts should not be a deterrent; it increases the chances of finding
Spade support in partners hand.

>
>
>S A 10 9 8 3
>H J 8 7 2
>D ---
>C À 8 5 4 3

[Bob Lipton]

Gordon Rainsford wrote:
> IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
>
> RHO You LHO Pd
> 1H P 1NT 2D
> 2S P 3H P
> P ?
>
>
>
> S A 10 9 8 3
> H J 8 7 2
> D ---
> C À 8 5 4 3



Doubling lets them find the heart length. I suppose it comes down, in
no small part, to how light partner will bid 2D on in this circumstance.
But a double looks right unless partner is an idiot.

Bob

[raija d]

"Gordon Rainsford" <grbridgeREMOVETHIS@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1htda39.1yyei18193jojkN%grbridgeREMOVETHIS@bt internet.com...
> IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
>
> RHO You LHO Pd
> 1H P 1NT 2D
> 2S P 3H P
> P ?
>
>
>
> S A 10 9 8 3
> H J 8 7 2
> D ---
> C À 8 5 4 3
>
> --
> Gordon Rainsford
>
> London UK

Assume I need to take off one spade or a club. Dbl, then lead trump.

[ted]

On Feb 11, 4:55 am, grbridgeREMOVET...@btinternet.com (Gordon
Rainsford) wrote:
> IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
>
> RHO You LHO Pd
> 1H P 1NT 2D
> 2S P 3H P
> P ?
>
> S A 10 9 8 3
> H J 8 7 2
> D ---
> C À 8 5 4 3
>
> --
> Gordon Rainsford
>
> London UK


My initial gut reaction was
"So you doubled and it didn't work out. Tough, it's still the right
call IMO."

But the only holdings for the other 3 hands that make sense of the
bidding is something like

XX
X
AKQJXXX
XXX

XX KQJX
XX AKQXXX
XXX XXX
KQJXX VOID

AT983
J872
VOID
A8543

with various minor suit holdings that allow 3H to make and at worst
only looks to go down 2. So perhaps pass is best.

[ted]

On Feb 11, 10:43 am, "ted" <morris...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 4:55 am, grbridgeREMOVET...@btinternet.com (Gordon
>
>
>
> Rainsford) wrote:
> > IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
>
> > RHO You LHO Pd
> > 1H P 1NT 2D
> > 2S P 3H P
> > P ?
>
> > S A 10 9 8 3
> > H J 8 7 2
> > D ---
> > C À 8 5 4 3
>
> > --
> > Gordon Rainsford
>
> > London UK
>
> My initial gut reaction was
> "So you doubled and it didn't work out. Tough, it's still the right
> call IMO."
>
> But the only holdings for the other 3 hands that make sense of the
> bidding is something like
>
> XX
> X
> AKQJXXX
> XXX
>
> XX KQJX
> XX AKQXXX
> XXX XXX
> KQJXX VOID
>
> AT983
> J872
> VOID
> A8543
>
> with various minor suit holdings that allow 3H to make and at worst
> only looks to go down 2. So perhaps pass is best.

BTW which card do I pass to WEST?

[Thomas Dehn]

"Gordon Rainsford" <grbridgeREMOVETHIS@btinternet.com> wrote:
> IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
>
> RHO You LHO Pd
> 1H P 1NT 2D
> 2S P 3H P
> P ?
>
> S A 10 9 8 3
> H J 8 7 2
> D ---
> C A 8 5 4 3

Depending on partner, either collect 50s (if partner is
a joker who makes a lead directing overcall when vul),
or wield the axe (if partner prefers solid bidding).


Thomas

[ewleongusa@hotmail.com]

On Feb 11, 2:55 am, grbridgeREMOVET...@btinternet.com (Gordon
Rainsford) wrote:
> IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
>
> RHO You LHO Pd
> 1H P 1NT 2D
> 2S P 3H P
> P ?
>
> S A 10 9 8 3
> H J 8 7 2
> D ---
> C À 8 5 4 3
>
> --
> Gordon Rainsford
>
> London UK

Presuming the hand is a 5=4=0=4 hand, I would double.
I count four defensive tricks in my hand.
Both majors are spliting poorly for declarer.
My partner has overcalled red vs. white so he has to have the top of
his range for an overcall in this sequence.
LHO has confessed to a very weak hand.
With an 8+ hcp hand, LHO surely would have found a stronger bid.
Perhaps, sometimes 3Hx makes but more frequently +300 or +500 is a
more likely result.

Eric Leong

[Gordon Rainsford]

Gordon Rainsford <grbridgeREMOVETHIS@btinternet.com> wrote:

> IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
>
> RHO You LHO Pd
> 1H P 1NT 2D
> 2S P 3H P
> P ?
>
>
>
> S A 10 9 8 3
> H J 8 7 2
> D ---
> C 8 5 4 3

Sorry - I copied and pasted it from an email, and the club symbol
transformed into an extra ace!


--
Gordon Rainsford

London UK

[Robert Tamlyn]

Gordon Rainsford wrote:
> Gordon Rainsford <grbridgeREMOVETHIS@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
>>
>> RHO You LHO Pd
>> 1H P 1NT 2D
>> 2S P 3H P
>> P ?
>>
>>
>>
>> S A 10 9 8 3
>> H J 8 7 2
>> D ---
>> C 8 5 4 3
>
> Sorry - I copied and pasted it from an email, and the club symbol
> transformed into an extra ace!
>
>

I am a lily livered passer thruout.

Down 1 seems far more likely than making but that is not enough to
double at IMP's.

[Bob Lipton]

Gordon Rainsford wrote:
> Gordon Rainsford <grbridgeREMOVETHIS@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
>>IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
>>
>>RHO You LHO Pd
>> 1H P 1NT 2D
>> 2S P 3H P
>> P ?
>>
>>
>>
>>S A 10 9 8 3
>>H J 8 7 2
>>D ---
>>C 8 5 4 3
>
>
> Sorry - I copied and pasted it from an email, and the club symbol
> transformed into an extra ace!
>
>


Pass. Lead a trump.

Bob

[John Schuler]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:10:48 +0000, grbridgeREMOVETHIS@btinternet.com
(Gordon Rainsford) wrote:

>Gordon Rainsford <grbridgeREMOVETHIS@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
>>
>> RHO You LHO Pd
>> 1H P 1NT 2D
>> 2S P 3H P
>> P ?
>>
>>
>>
>> S A 10 9 8 3
>> H J 8 7 2
>> D ---
>> C 8 5 4 3
>
>Sorry - I copied and pasted it from an email, and the club symbol
>transformed into an extra ace!

Pass. WTP?

[Kieran Dyke]

"Gordon Rainsford" <grbridgeREMOVETHIS@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1hte5it.1393zg5zbhbigN%grbridgeREMOVETHIS@bti nternet.com...
> Gordon Rainsford <grbridgeREMOVETHIS@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
>>
>> RHO You LHO Pd
>> 1H P 1NT 2D
>> 2S P 3H P
>> P ?
>>
>>
>>
>> S A 10 9 8 3
>> H J 8 7 2
>> D ---
>> C 8 5 4 3
>
> Sorry - I copied and pasted it from an email, and the club symbol
> transformed into an extra ace!
>
>
> --
> Gordon Rainsford
>
> London UK

That rather changes things. Pass is now normal, though double might do well.
Trump lead seems wrong to me - partner has spade shortage over dummy so
spade ruffs in dummy might not be a problem.

Tiggrr

[Jürgen R.]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 05:18:24 -0800, John Schuler <jrs@san.rr.com>
wrote:

>[...] Certainly the Jack 4th of
>Hearts should not be a deterrent; it increases the chances of finding
>Spade support in partners hand.

How so? Please explain.

[...]

[frisbieinstein@yahoo.com]

On Feb 12, 5:10 am, grbridgeREMOVET...@btinternet.com (Gordon
Rainsford) wrote:
> Gordon Rainsford <grbridgeREMOVET...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
>
> > RHO You LHO Pd
> > 1H P 1NT 2D
> > 2S P 3H P
> > P ?
>
> > S A 10 9 8 3
> > H J 8 7 2
> > D ---
> > C 8 5 4 3
>
> Sorry - I copied and pasted it from an email, and the club symbol
> transformed into an extra ace!
>
> --
> Gordon Rainsford
>
> London UK

I'd pass and not think twice about it. Even with that club ace I
would have passed. I don't double if the most likely result is down
one.

[Lorne]

"Gordon Rainsford" <grbridgeREMOVETHIS@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1hte5it.1393zg5zbhbigN%grbridgeREMOVETHIS@bti nternet.com...
> Gordon Rainsford <grbridgeREMOVETHIS@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
>>
>> RHO You LHO Pd
>> 1H P 1NT 2D
>> 2S P 3H P
>> P ?
>>
>>
>>
>> S A 10 9 8 3
>> H J 8 7 2
>> D ---
>> C 8 5 4 3
>
> Sorry - I copied and pasted it from an email, and the club symbol
> transformed into an extra ace!
>

Clear pass now. Only at MP's with oppo vul do I think about anything else.

[Thomas Dehn]

"Gordon Rainsford" <grbridgeREMOVETHIS@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Gordon Rainsford <grbridgeREMOVETHIS@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
> >
> > RHO You LHO Pd
> > 1H P 1NT 2D
> > 2S P 3H P
> > P ?
> >
> >
> >
> > S A 10 9 8 3
> > H J 8 7 2
> > D ---
> > C 8 5 4 3
>
> Sorry - I copied and pasted it from an email, and the club symbol
> transformed into an extra ace!

Without the extra A, this is a clear pass.


Thomas

[KWSchneider]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:10:48 +0000, grbridgeREMOVETHIS@btinternet.com
(Gordon Rainsford) wrote:

>Gordon Rainsford <grbridgeREMOVETHIS@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
>>
>> RHO You LHO Pd
>> 1H P 1NT 2D
>> 2S P 3H P
>> P ?
>>
>>
>>
>> S A 10 9 8 3
>> H J 8 7 2
>> D ---
>> C 8 5 4 3
>
>Sorry - I copied and pasted it from an email, and the club symbol
>transformed into an extra ace!

Acol or SA or 2/1?

Assuming 5cM, I would think that RHO has 15-16 and 4=5=2=2 [with
4=5=1=3 I would double 2D, with 4=6=1=2 I would rebid 2H], LHO
probably has 7-8 2=2=4=5 or 2=2=5=4 [he "corrected" to 3H so he can't
have 3s].

Doing the math, your partner has 2=2=6=3 or 2=2=7=2 and 11-13 pts.

Pass - I would lead the ST [I can't see the SA going away] - maybe
partner has HA. This way I have a shot at scoring one of his trumps.

Leading clubs/trumps will only help declarer.

KWSchneider
NH, USA

[Kieran Dyke]

"Jürgen R." <jurgenr@web.de> wrote in message
news:p6f0t2h90r3fvi7vf11hh1raucsrlhlq6k@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 05:18:24 -0800, John Schuler <jrs@san.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>>[...] Certainly the Jack 4th of
>>Hearts should not be a deterrent; it increases the chances of finding
>>Spade support in partners hand.
>
> How so? Please explain.
>
> [...]
>

Because it means that partner doesn't (or at least may not have) many
hearts. That makes it reasonable to hope that he has some spades, since he
has a higher number than average of cards which are not hearts.

If hearts get raised, the chance of a spade fit goes through the roof.

Tiggrr

[Jürgen R.]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:55:32 +1100, "Kieran Dyke" <tiggrr@idx.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"Jürgen R." <jurgenr@web.de> wrote in message
>news:p6f0t2h90r3fvi7vf11hh1raucsrlhlq6k@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 05:18:24 -0800, John Schuler <jrs@san.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>[...] Certainly the Jack 4th of
>>>Hearts should not be a deterrent; it increases the chances of finding
>>>Spade support in partners hand.
>>
>> How so? Please explain.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>
>Because it means that partner doesn't (or at least may not have) many
>hearts. That makes it reasonable to hope that he has some spades, since he
>has a higher number than average of cards which are not hearts.

Say you have 5 spades and 8 non-spades. Partner's hand is then drawn
from 8 spades and 31 non-spades, and the probability of partner
holding any specific number of spades is clearly independent of the
number of hearts in my hand.

>
>If hearts get raised, the chance of a spade fit goes through the roof.

Don't know how high your roof is, but there is an increase.

>
>Tiggrr
>

[Dave Flower]

On Feb 11, 10:10�pm, grbridgeREMOVET...@btinternet.com (Gordon
Rainsford) wrote:
> Gordon Rainsford <grbridgeREMOVET...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
>
> > RHO * *You * *LHO * *Pd
> > *1H * * P * * 1NT * *2D
> > *2S * * P * * *3H * * P
> > * P * * ?
>
> > S A 10 9 8 3
> > H J 8 7 2
> > D ---
> > C 8 5 4 3
>
> Sorry - I copied and pasted it from an email, and the club symbol
> transformed into an extra ace!
>
> --
> Gordon Rainsford
>
> London UK

I'm not sure that the absence of CA makes a double any worse, as it
makes partner more likely to have an entry.

I would double against vulnerable opponents at match points, but pass
with ort without CA at IMPs.

I agree with everyone else to lead a trump, but it could well cost a
trump trick

Dave Flower

[Gordon Rainsford]

On Feb 11, 10:10 pm, grbridgeREMOVET...@btinternet.com (Gordon
Rainsford) wrote:
> Gordon Rainsford <grbridgeREMOVET...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
>
> > RHO You LHO Pd
> > 1H P 1NT 2D
> > 2S P 3H P
> > P ?
>
> > S A 10 9 8 3
> > H J 8 7 2
> > D ---
> > C 8 5 4 3
>
> Sorry - I copied and pasted it from an email, and the club symbol
> transformed into an extra ace!
>
> --
> Gordon Rainsford
>
> London UK

Thanks everyone for your responses. This was a hand I was asked to
rule on: at the table RHO had had a bit of a think before passing, and
the player with this hand said that this hesitation had discouraged
him from doubling, which he might have done without the thought. RHO
had said at the time that he was "always going to pass", so I might
have adjusted under L73F2 except that I thought the double to be far
from clear at this form of scoring.

Since I consider the player who called me to be a very strong player
of great integrity (who accepted my ruling with grace), I just wanted
to test my judgement of the situation by seeing what others would have
done without the opponent's hesitation.

--

Gordon Rainsford

[ewleongusa@hotmail.com]

On Feb 13, 11:05 am, "Gordon Rainsford" <r...@gordonrainsford.co.uk>
wrote:
> On Feb 11, 10:10 pm, grbridgeREMOVET...@btinternet.com (Gordon
>
>
>
>
>
> Rainsford) wrote:
> > Gordon Rainsford <grbridgeREMOVET...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > IMP Pairs Vul vs NV
>
> > > RHO You LHO Pd
> > > 1H P 1NT 2D
> > > 2S P 3H P
> > > P ?
>
> > > S A 10 9 8 3
> > > H J 8 7 2
> > > D ---
> > > C 8 5 4 3
>
> > Sorry - I copied and pasted it from an email, and the club symbol
> > transformed into an extra ace!
>
> > --
> > Gordon Rainsford
>
> > London UK
>
> Thanks everyone for your responses. This was a hand I was asked to
> rule on: at the table RHO had had a bit of a think before passing, and
> the player with this hand said that this hesitation had discouraged
> him from doubling, which he might have done without the thought. RHO
> had said at the time that he was "always going to pass", so I might
> have adjusted under L73F2 except that I thought the double to be far
> from clear at this form of scoring.
>
> Since I consider the player who called me to be a very strong player
> of great integrity (who accepted my ruling with grace), I just wanted
> to test my judgement of the situation by seeing what others would have
> done without the opponent's hesitation.
>
> --
>
> Gordon Rainsford- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

If RHO said "I was always going to pass" then I think the only reason
for the person to have a "bit of a think" was to discourage a double.
If his opponent might have doubled say 5% of the time, I don't think
RHO should get the benefit of doubt.
But if you are not going to rule against RHO, at the very least RHO
should get some sort of procedural penalty.

Eric Leong

Eric Leong